whipcrack wrote:jcpfx wrote:are the fast/unexpected pace of some moves during low liquidity/participation environments due to stop orders being hit or due to the fact that it takes less capital to move the market around?
It can mean both.
The market will go after stops regardless, but it makes life a whole lot simpler if it can drive prices into those orders with minimal effort. So it stands to reason if participation is on the light side & a real juicy zone is in spitting distance it won't take nearly as much traded volume to push or pull the market around.
Once/if stops are tripped the strength of any resulting move will be wholly dependent on the dominant volume of orders resting at & stacked up or down through the level.
jcpfx wrote:during the initial phases of this thread, and sometimes in later posts, there's reference to "momentum high/low" or "momentum levels". I was wondering what the difference was between a momentum level and a normal level, or a momentum high vs. normal high.
It will generally refer to sharp, aggressive directional moves that are generated anywhere from a few hours to a couple days.
If the move then consolidates that high (or low) & begins to show signs of breaking out on a continuation move, all the better!
That's where the hook play is particularly effective, by illuminating lower risk entries at the bottom of a consolidating channel in preparation for an upside (continuation) breakout or illuminating lower risk entries off the top of a channel for a downside (continuation) breakout.
The other scenario when it registers a higher probability play is via divergences, especially bearish divergences within the context of a primary bearish trend where the hook is indicating a lower high failure & vice versa for bullish primary trends.
Whipcrack,
since your post, I have been able to progress further down the road of "chart reading" and background planning, and would like to share some considerations that you & the others have probably discovered some time ago.
Focusing on the momentum high/low prints, which sort of "stand out like a sore thumb" when you squeeze more data into your chart, i have been able to create an integrated view of the time frames that build up the market, which has made me feel a lot more secure about what I'm doing. Here is a recent example from DAX which has been behaving well recently.
Dax 1H > 4H > Daily charts



Basically my understanding has now become: the
closest momo high/low area on the 1H chart should hold up the 1H trend. Therefore it's legit to look for sub-hourly triggers at the most recent momo high(low) broken to the upside (downside) in an uptrend(downtrend) but also at the most recent momo low (high) even if the technical picture is not as strong. Both solutions would keep the 1H chart trending. ==> trigger could be a sub-hourly hook
If the most recent 1H area is violated, then one shold look to the
most recent 4H momo high/low area that should hold up the 4H trend. Therefore it's legit to look for sub-hourly triggers at the most recent momo high(low) broken to the upside(downside) in an uptrend(downtrend) but also at the most recent momo low(high) even if the technical picture is not as strong. Both solutions would keep the 4H chart trending and are both areas that should "rotate" the 1H chart back into trend. ==> trigger could be 1H+sub-hourly hooks
If the most recent 4H area is violated, then it may be that the trend is changing but one can also check this hypothesis with the
most recent Daily momo high/low area (which in many cases coincides with the 4H area) to see if it would make sense that the 4H "bounce" off it and continue the uptrend. In these cases, one must wait for a 1H trigger to enter. ==> trigger could be a 4H+1H hook.
To me this makes perfect sense & is a great way to integrate the various time frames into one big picture. If this were the case, I could say that the initial "journey" that myself & my fiancèe started in march 2012 has come to an end and we possess the correct knowledge to understand most of what charts have to tell us.
Love to hear your thoughts on all of this
