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My theory of averaging

Postby Rom » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:38 am

Hi traders, my theory of averaging

In his book "10 Minute Forex Wealth Builder!" Dean Sanders presents two systems. In his breakout system on daily chart he uses 50 pips SL on EURUSD (same for many other currencies) and 100 pips TP. R/R will be 1 : 2, and there is little monitoring, so most trades will end up -50 pips or +100 pips.

His claim about the system being profitable is not disputed on the net.
The requirements for this system being profitable is winning rate being larger than 33%.

How profitable is the system? 2%, 5% or 10% per months?

I started to wonder and applied Floor Traders Essential Toolbox on the problem
http://forums.forex-strategies-revealed.com/floor-traders-essential-toolbox-t279.html

Obviously there will only be some few trades (inside days) each month on a single currency.

I tested 2 winning trades and 3 loosing trades per month.
Profit trades = 2
Loss trades = 3
SumProfitPips = 200 (100 * 2)
SumLossPips = 150 (50 * 3)

Strategy: 10 Minute Forex Wealth Builder Breakout strategy
Trades per month: 5
Average profit: 100 pips
Average loss: 50 pips
Profitable trades: 40%
Profit per trade: 10 pips/trade
Max risk level: 5,08%
Return per month: 1,95%
Average drawdown: -23,54%


That will be 2% per month. 40% winning rate seems reasonable enough for me to accept. The point I will make is valid even if winning rate is 36% or whatever.

Applying the strategy on 6 majors should give us more return per month

Profit trades = 12 (2 * 6)
Loss trades = 18 (3 * 6)
SumProfitPips = 1200 (200 * 6)
SumLossPips = 900 (150 * 6)

Strategy: 10 Minute Forex Wealth Builder Breakout strategy
Trades per month: 30
Average profit: 100 pips
Average loss: 50 pips
Profitable trades: 40%
Profit per trade: 10 pips/trade
Max risk level: 2,54%
Return per month: 9,65%
Average drawdown: -12,75%

Much better indeed, as expected.

My problem is this:
If we instead of using TP = 100 and SL = 50 apply averaging with 3 contracts, like TP1 = 33, TP2 = 66, TP3 = 100, and SL1 = -25, SL2 = -37, SL3= -50, what effect will averaging have?

Using 3 contracts instead of 1 contract means each trade will have a multitude of outcomes:

Best case: 33 + 66 + 100 pips / 3 => 67 pips
Worst case (-25 - 37 - 50)/ 3 => -37 pips

Between these extremes there will be all kind of combinations that I have not computed, but roughtly it will something like this

-37, -27, -17, -7, -2, 5, 15, 25, 40, 55, 67

Assuming average profit on each trade will be reduced by 33% and average loss reduced by 33%, then we have:

Average profit - 66 on 3 contracts => 22 (66 is 66% of 100 pips)
Average loss - 33 on 3 contract s => 11 (33 is 66% of 50 pips)

Profit trades = 12 * 3 => 36 (3 because every trade will consist of 3 contracts)
Loss trades = 18 * 3 => 54
SumProfitPips = 36 * 22 => 792
SumLossPips = 54 * 11 => 594

What kind of return per month will that give us?

Strategy: 10 Minute Forex Wealth Builder Breakout strategy
Trades per month: 90
Average profit: 22 pips
Average loss: 11 pips
Profitable trades: 40%
Profit per trade: 2 pips/trade
Max risk level: 2,01%
Return per month: 16,96%
Average drawdown: -7,24%

:)
just by using money management with averaging, more profit and less drawdown


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Re: My theory of averaging

Postby Rom » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:03 am

Using 3 contracts instead of 1 contract means each trade will have a multitude of outcomes:

Possible outcome:

1. (33 + 66 + 100) / 3 => 67 pips
2. (-25 + 66 + 100) / 3 => 47 pips
3. (33 + 66 - 50) / 3 => 17 pips
4. (-25 - 37 + 100) / 3 => 12 pips
5. (-25 + 66 - 50) / 3 => -3 pips
6. (33 - 37 - 50) / 3 => -17 pips
7. (-25 - 37 - 50) / 3 => -37 pips

(or more if SL is moved during a trade)


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Re: My theory of averaging

Postby Rom » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:05 pm

Example of averaging.

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Re: My theory of averaging

Postby Rom » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:06 pm

Averaging by scalping

Comparing two ways to trade a big move
1. A single position that will give us 100-3 pips when success and -100-3 pips when failure. Winning rate is 67%
2. Scalping the subwaves giving us 30-3 pips when success and -30-3 pips when failure. Winning rate is 67%

What is best?

DATA
StartDate: 20100101
EndDate: 20100131
ProfitTrades: 4
LossTrades: 2
SumProfitPips: 388
SumLossPips: 194

Swingtrading
Trades per month: 6
Average profit: 97 pips
Average loss: 97 pips
Profitable trades: 66,67%
Profit per trade: 32,33 pips/trade

Normalized risk: 5,37%
Normalized return per month: 7,01%
Average annual drawdown: -18,50%

DATA
StartDate: 20100101
EndDate: 20100131
ProfitTrades: 12
LossTrades: 6
SumProfitPips: 324
SumLossPips: 198

Scalping
Trades per month: 18
Average profit: 27 pips
Average loss: 33 pips
Profitable trades: 66,67%
Profit per trade: 7,00 pips/trade

Normalized risk: 3,35%
Normalized return per month: 10,28%
Average annual drawdown: -15,80%



No significant difference. The advantage of more trades is undermined by spread cost being tripled, eating up 50% of profit.

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Re: My theory of averaging

Postby Rom » Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:40 am

With these assumptions it is possible to create an autotrading system that returns 25% per month

http://www.regnskapsprogrammer.com/xp/Outline%20of%20a%20trade%20system.pdf

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Re: My theory of averaging

Postby Edward Revy » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:47 pm

Congratulations, Kjell!

that's one bright piece of money management idea and an interesting evaluation. I should admit, I've done some MM calculation in my practice, but never to the extent you've shown us.

I liked the data and details you've brought in, and I'd be exited to follow your topic further.
Sure, if I have anything smart to say :D I'll be glad to comment on.

Happy trading!
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Re: My theory of averaging

Postby Rom » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:38 am

:)
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Re: My theory of averaging

Postby ivanlim » Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:51 am

Does this rule apply for smaller timeframes such as 30 or 15 minutes timeframes?
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Re: My theory of averaging

Postby Rom » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 am

(topmost rule) No difference. There is no added cost about using 3 smaller contracts instead on one.
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Re: My theory of averaging

Postby ivanlim » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:48 pm

so to use this system,i'll place 3 contracts instead of one,eg. 3 sell trades of different SL & TP instead of one fixed? According to your explanation,should one contract have the smallest SL & TP,one contract the largest SL & TP, the other in between? For example 25 & 33,37 & 66, and 50 & 100?
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